He went on to explain that most actors and indeed most entertainers are gig workers. For every a-lister many other actors work gig to gig and having steady work and a steady income that pays well is really hard because the field is so unpredictable. And many actors including many well know actors and artists have to have a secondary source of regular income between gigs and for most working entertainers it means getting a regular job and taking whatever roles you can get.
Also, how you gonna shame a man for having a job? If you're earning your own money legally and not causing trouble for the world, then it's no damn business of mine where you work.
That is on Cosby. He could have signed away his financial rights to the show for a lump sum like Roseanne did so the could have continued to air/stream and everyone else could have continued to earn royalties.
Also fuck the people that tried to shame Geoffrey. Man stepped up and found a job.
I think people truly underestimate just how aggressively fast The Cosby Show was pretty much yanked from the airwaves on all the channels that aired it. For anyone who had their royalties from that show, their residual payments all but evaporated.
I remember (I’m an old) when the show aired-I didn’t watch it too often myself but I think a lot of people don’t realize how immensely popular it was. So the whole thing was extra shocking and weird.
I felt bad for the other actors that had to deal when all that went down. :(
Apparently Lisa Bonet (iirc) refused to comment so one wonders if he tried shit on her, too.
What’s interesting is how he publicly criticized her for some R rated movie she made, doing a racy photoshoot for Rolling stone He even got mad when she got married and then pregnant. They wouldn’t write the pregnancy into the Cosby Show spin off she was in and that basically forced her off the show.
It was just always in the news that that he had some beef with her during that period and that she was ruining the wholesome image of the show. Anyway, I guess we can all see that he projecting now.
He shamed Eddie Murphy for using swear words in his act and Eddie turned it into a classic bit. Well before the general public was aware of Cosby's OTHER reputation. Of course, his bit is even funnier now that we know Bill was drugging and raping women the entire time.
Because it's SO shitty and hypocritical for someone doing that to act as some sort of moral authority.
That's the worst of it. With Roseanne and Home Improvement, Barr and Allen may be dickweeds, but their characters are meant to be abrasive to a degree, so they are still watchable shows. Cosby sold himself and Dr. Huxtable as 1:1 good upstanding moral characters.
Exactly, that’s what made the whole thing so disturbing. People expected Dr. Huxtable to be someone they could look up to, which makes the betrayal of that image hit so much harder.
When I was a kid, Bill Cosby inspired me to want to be an educator. The fact that he did comedy records and The Electric Company, made me take certain art and English courses in high school. But by the time I was in college, his image was tarnished.
Even for those of us in our early 40s, he was often a massive part of our childhoods. The Fat Albert cartoon originally aired in the 70s, but its reruns were still playing in the 90s.
And I remember Cosby show reruns were sometimes the only watchable sitcom in their time slot - especially if you were stuck with rabbit ear antennas or very basic cable TV in the 90s.
I never really liked him. My first exposure to him was through the cartoon Fat Albert. I was literally four and five years old and didn’t know shit about the world or race or anything and I would watch feeling absolutely horrified at how black people were portrayed. I started to get self conscious and wonder if that’s how the world saw me.
We wore out the VHS copies we made of his HBO stand-up special. The first album I ever got was Bill Cosby is a very funny fellow, right? My father bought it for me in, I don't know, 1983.
Tbh I feel like except for Malcolm Jamal Warner(RIP), Raven Symone, and Phylicia Rashad(who also is a professor) the rest of the cast basically disappeared and havent had acting gigs since.
No shame in working another job if your acting gigs dried up, they’re able to make money to put food on the table I hope.
I get where you’re coming from, but even if he signed away his rights, that doesn’t mean anyone is going to want to watch a show with Cosby as the main character or any network/streaming is going to want to air it.
this is why i don't agree with trying to cancel entire movies/tv shows just because of one bad actor. television shows and films are made on the backs of hundreds of hardworking people.
imagine you stop making money for the work you've done because your boss turned out to be a terrible, terrible person. we should be able to deal with bad actors without punishing anyone who was unknowingly in their vicinity.
Thank you for saying this. I work in film/tv and 99 percent of the people in my industry are kind, normal, average people who work hard for surprisingly little money.
Run the bad apples out of town, absolutely! There’s no shortage of Hollywood psychos who need to be gone.
But let the rest of us work and do what we love - attempting to make things that give people enjoyment and escape.
Trader Joe's has a reputation as being a good place to work. I'm looking at retiring in about 5 years. Probably will take some time over at TJ's to keep busy
I remember years ago there was an interview with someone from Friends (I think Matt LeBlanc), and he was asked about why his salaries for certain actors were so large, and he said something like (I'm paraphrasing) "look, there's no way we'll ever be in anything as successful as this again. There's no guarantee we'll still be able to find consistent work. And the studio is going to make money off our work regardless, so we're going to take advantage of our popularity while we still have it."
I do still think they made an obscene amount of money, but he did have a point.
Same with musicians. The reason you can still see that band who had that really influential album n the 80s or 90s is because they're skint. I've done live sound for nearly 4 decades and I know a lot of bands that would stop tomorrow if they could. I remember bringing my son to meet his favourite band after one of their gigs. he was really excited heading to the dressing room only to quickly realise it was just old men moaning about work, money and their bad backs, the very same as when Dad had his mates around at home.
I recently looked up Trent Reznor and happened to see his estimated net worth, 80 million. I find that insane. It's obviously an unfathomable amount for me. But for the 60 year old Nine Inch Nails guy and blockbuster film composer? As a big sports fan, comparing that to player contracts... it sounds unbelievably low for who he is
Almost everyone in showbiz is underpaid and if you make the big money, it is only for short period and it doesn't last as long as you think. Yes, people waste but a lot of time stuff happens someone you love gets sick, your side business goes under etc.
I remember someone trying to shame"The sherminator" from American pie because he was a waiter at a fancy restaurant. Like he had a bit part in a couple of films, he clearly didn't make much so why the fuck are you giving him shit?
Yeah TV stars don’t make nearly as much as people think. From what I’ve heard, being the star of a successful TV show is relative to having a well paying “normal” job in terms of money.
Likely making six figures, and the job security for 4-10 years I imagine is nice, but when the show ends they’re not set for life and will need to find other work.
And that’s the star. I would assume recurring roles pay less.
And syndication doesn't pay as well as it used to. Used to be that a TV star could build up a decent portfolio of royalties from reruns and boxed set sales.
I don't get the mentality of job shaming. I've almost never been without a job simply because I went out and got a job at gas stations or fast food restaurants or as a cleaner if I was ever out of work. Yeah, none of them were glamorous or going to help "advance my career" or anything, but a job is a job and honest money shouldn't be looked down on.
People are miserable and misery loves company. They think every actor that’s been on a 80s sitcom is just lounging in their Hollywood Hills home off the Tubi streaming commissions 🙄
The dude who played Spanky in the 90s Little Rascals was photographed working at Wal-Mart and the photos landed on TMZ. People apparently think anybody who has ever been in a movie is a multimillionaire and started making wild guesses that he'd lost all his money on drugs or gambling. I'm guessing however much he got paid was enough to pay for a few semesters of college at best.
And for a more recent example, RJ Mitte, who played Walt Jr. In Breaking Bad and recently took his own life, made like 200k total from the show. Across 6 years of shooting. Residuals apparently were insignificant due to streaming service models. And he ended up having to pay more than that to the IRS because his manager was stealing the money he was supposed to be paying his taxes with.
His character is in a lot of the episodes, but his screen time is very low. His actual time involvement probably adds up to 1-2 months a year. So that's $200k for half to a full year of work.
People convince themselves that stars are elite and don’t suffer. Being rich and famous is a motivator for many people; if they find out that you can work hard make good money and it still not be enough people will be terrified lol
It’s an entertainment industry thing. A person working retail making $50k a year will call an actor making $50k a year a loser because they only work in bit parts on tv or commercials and not marvel movies.
Why don't people get that most actors are broke as dirt? Ke Huy Quan has spoken several times about how he lost his SAG-AFTRA health insurance right after finishing filming Everything Everywhere All at Once. The actors of Orange is the New Black routinely spoke about working as waiters while filming. It doesn't really pay until you're an A-lister, which is why nepo babies do it: they can afford to work for nothing in an over saturated industry.
Years ago they were job shaming Gary Coleman (Arnold from Different Strokes) when he got a job as a security guard on a movie set.
The poor guy was not getting any acting jobs. His fame had dwindled in the 1980s. He was born with extremely challenging health problems to begin with. He was effectively disabled, to an extent, because of his size.
And yet the gossip rags were hammering him because he was trying to do an ordinary job.
Yep. We need work reform. Makes zero sense all countries at World Cup managed a healthcare system only the US couldn’t do. Need to get rid of corporate lobbying
My high school friend has been an actress for 25 years, and was one of the leads in a very big movie (Ben Affleck was the main character.) She is barely getting by and mostly works as a waitress.
Remember murder, she wrote? Angela Lansbury hired actors older actors, whose insurance was about to run out so that they could re-up their credentials with SAG to extend their insurance.
There's a bunch of Top British Actors who are literally aristocrats. That Top Young Actor Everyone's Talking About in Hollywood is almost invariably "their mother was a French model and their father owns a hedge fund (which owns half of Indonesia)"
I have a few actor friends, who book a lot of work. They all have full time jobs - the most fortunate have full time jobs that lets them take a lot of unpaid vacation. Which lets them take 3 weeks off to shoot a feature or whatever, then get right back to work.
I had this (very) brief moment in my life where it looked like I might have been able to make it as a screenwriter. There was just this very, very small issue: I couldn't afford to spend several years working full time for free.* (Though of course I "pivoted" to academia which, would you look at that, kind of requires you to work full time for several years for free, so I pivoted to archives and libraries and then people were say "ah, we see what's holding you back, all you need to do is work several years full time for free.")
I do really miss it, but man, the rent's gotta be paid.
*And by "free" we mean, sure you signed a contract that would pay you ten grand for three month's work writing or cowriting a screenplay or a TV show setting bible, it's just, lol, we can't pay you right now, exactly, but it will open so many doors. Sureeee
Look at RJ Mitte that just passed away, because of some bs contract his manager had him sign, he hardly made anything from breaking bad and that’s a huge show!
Redditors aren’t great at the real world. I saw a comment yesterday deriding ALL actors because the poster thought that all actors just do it to be rich and famous.
Like dude actually thinks it’s an easy guarantee to be a millionaire if you decide to try acting.
Why would anyone shame dude for making a living? Acting is like sports. You are hot for a minute, and then you aren’t. He could end up on another series, and blow up big. Look at Ke Huy Quan as an example. He wasn’t doing anything really big for decades, and now, he’s as hot as can be. I just don’t get people sometimes
Geoffrey Owens was in The Pitt, Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed and Abbott Elementary this year - all hot shows. Luckily it seems like it turned out okay for him.
it wasn't shaming as much as shock. The person who took the photo never expected they'd see Elvin from the Cosby show picking up shifts at Trader Joes.
That person was still a piece of shit for wrecking the guy's privacy, but I don't think they did it to shame him. just more of a "can you believe this?!" type thing
He also stopped getting residuals because The Cosby Show stopped having reruns or streaming. It's not just that he isn't popular anymore, it's Bill Cosby's fault. That show used to always have reruns on. Between multiple channels you probably could have watched it 24/7.
One of our sales guy works in theatre and organizes plays cause that's what he likes but that passion is gig based. You can't put food on your table if you don't have a permanent job. That's why he is also a salesman and his years of work in theatre helps him in sales.
There is no shame in having a hardworking mentality.
When a few friends of mine started working in showbiz as support crew they were shocked at the number of well-known acts that took jobs that many would consider beneath them and the answer was always we needed the money for x and a job is a job; and no most of the time is wasn't because said famous person blew their money
Too many people are just losers. I tell everyone that I am a construction worker. Nobody cares. Occasionally someone wants to act like it’s some terrible job (in the circles I run in). But then it’s funny to see the difference in their demeanor once they eventually hear from someone that we own one of the biggest construction firms in the Western world.
I have tremendous respect for anyone working hard and contributing to their family and society at large. It’s mostly by virtue of luck and circumstances outside of our control that we end up where we are. Anyone who forgets that needs to do some serious introspection.
That's actually Donnovan McNabb. He used to play quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. You can, too, if you start everyday with a hearty breakfast from McDonald's.
Hey guys, I'm Donovan McNabb. I play quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. And I'm here to tell you can, too, if you start everyday with a hearty breakfast from McDonald's. Uh, like the new Sausage Egg McGriddle Value Meal available now for a limited time for under five dollars. Remember guys, real champs eat at McDonald's. I'm lovin' it. Can I get the check?
There's a reason so many actors and entertainers are on Cameo - they need the money.
There's nothing wrong with working at Trader Joe's. I'd even go as far as saying it's honourable - the guy is willing to do whatever he needs to do to make money for himself and his family.
Shame on whatever evil person tried to make a fool of him.
I ran into someone from a sitcom I loved as a little kid working a "regular job" when I was around 20. I felt bad because he seemed embarrassed to be found out but I was over the moon excited to see him in person because of how much he made me laugh.
When you see guys like this working at Trader Joe’s it’s a choice. No reason for shame or support, imho. What I mean is he’s a Yale graduate son of a U.S. Congressman who chose to make a living as a working actor while taking working class jobs and keeping his time and options open for auditioning and doing small acting gigs in his 50s-60s. I admire people who work in the arts and follow their passions instead of a paycheck, but I also think part of respecting those choices and the dignity of a human is respecting when they chose to work at Trader Joe’s while taking bit parts instead of “selling out” by getting a regular job or using the privilege of their upbringing and Ivy League education for career purposes.
He responded to the "shame" by posting a very unashamed response that he took the Trader Joe's job for the steady paycheck and benefits, end of story. He never complained.
How many actors out here posting they have no health insurance or cant pay their bills? This man went and stepped up and got a job. A, J O B !!! a job, something some people won't get off their asses and get. Man is providing for his family. Stop belitting people.
Funny how people support racist and make gofund me's for them. A woman can call a child derogatory names and make bank. But a down and out man, legitimately trying and working... you'll going to clown on him. Society is a joke. Stop this bs. Fight those who need to be fought and start helping the ones who need to be helped.
This reminded me of a story from back in 2009. A friend of mine turned 21 so his dad rented him a limo for the night. Everyone was carrying on and drinking, except for me because I hate the taste of alcohol. We end up at a strip club. Someone buys me a lap dance and after, she sits down to talk since there wasn't many people there (height of the recession). I buy her two drinks since there was a two drink minimum. Something that stuck with me was how embarrassed she said of the work she had to do and that nobody knew. I told her that she had a job, was paying her bills, and getting through college, and while I understood why she wouldn't tell anyone, she shouldn't feel shame either.
She told me to come find her before I left to exchange numbers, but I never got the chance. Hope she's doing well now.
Hence why I didn't make a grand effort to try and find her before I left. Her being a stripper and potentially trying to hustle me doesn't mean I have to be a dirt-bag to her. Felt genuine enough at the time to try and be kind and say some encouraging words.
Warms my heart. My cousin was a dancer for a decade. She had kids to feed. The father walked out on them. She also went back to school and is doing much better now.
I was much more fortunate than my cousin and I could see how our different paths took us different places.
I have nothing but love for her. She had to do what she had to do to survive. We don't come from money or anything like that.
I promise 100% guaranteed that this woman was a prostitute. Exchanging numbers would have resulted in her attempting to get you to use her services. This is a well known activity for strippers and you should know better.
That, or the classic "I'm working tonight, you coming to the club to see me?"
They exchange numbers to guys all the time, and they pretend to like you more than any other customer so you feel the need to buy lap dances and buy them drinks constantly.
The amount of guys that tell me some story of "I went to this strip club and the stripper was really into me" is extremely high. Even the "no seriously, she gave me her number and wants to see me tonight."
Congrats, you discovered the stripper sob story. They sit down with you and have you buy drinks so you're more likely to spend money on them, and the sob story guilts you into throwing them some cash. She chose the job, is making more money than any girl her age, and gets free drinks all night. You met a saleswoman buddy
I know that and even back then, I thought about trying to go back to her, but my sense got the better of me. I didn't spend anything more than the two drinks which I had to spend anyways.
On the off chance she was being genuine, it doesn't hurt to be nice to someone.
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