Economic collapse in Afghanistan resulting in rising reported cases of child-marriages (v.redd.it)
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āEconomic collapseā doesnāt force you to sell children. Why are we putting on kid gloves when talking about this shit? Itās barbarism. Revolting cultural practices that the civilized world has done away with
Am not a father but if I had kids, I would rather sell myself than my kids
I'd rather feed that old guy's beard to him and take his shit than let him do what he's going to do to that child.
mf's really saying ''it's their culture'' like that justifies it
Woah someone with the balls to state it plainly on Reddit, imagine that.
Exactly! Poverty is an excuse! The father didn't even comfort his daughter - he could care less!
The world would be a better place without the taliban. Who would have guessed that they cant run a country
Typical bigotry of low expectations.
Itās not. What is the alternative. What do you suggest be done
There are plenty of poor countries that don't normalize child marriages. Unfortunately, they need to want the change, and under the Taliban, that's definitely not going to happen.
We gave them an alternative for 20 years. Pumped money in and gave them every single chance to choose a different direction.
The moment we said stand on your own they went back.
I would like to just point out two instances from my head.
People were selling their children during the great depression.
People were selling their children during holodomor.
I guess economic collapse does make people sell their children
"Hello sir, we're doing a segment on child marriage that will be broadcast hundreds of millions of people across the globe, just be aware you're going to look like a complete piece of shit. You don't mind if we bring cameras do you?"
"No, not at all."
Yeah but he doesnt see it as wrong so why would he care? I remember seeing videos of them asking boys if they knew why Americans were in Afghanistan and they said no we donāt know why the Americans are here and whatās Afghanistan? They are so secluded they werenāt aware what country they even live in
I would do any video for money rather than selling my family.
Fr. I'd rob a bank, sell drugs.. shit, I can't imagine what I wouldn't do rather than sell my daughter.
I donāt think these men are really THAT upset about it. I mean, I donāt think itās their first choice and I think they feel like they need to do it. But none of them really look like theyāre devastated by it. I think itās normalized in their culture
If he's desperate enough to sell his daughter then he doesn't care about being filmed doing it for money.
I was thinking more about the purchaser, he presumably consented to be on camera as well.
Being a pedo is not illegal there. He thinks he only doing what he's allowed by law and their religion to do.
I believe this is an old case. The Taliban intervened and brought her back, upheld the sale and said send her back when she's nine.
How in the fuck are the taliban better than this pedo and the parents???? Nine is still super fucked but itās better than this, holy shit.
Oh good. Nine. Used up at that point. /s
Why did man decide to make god so horrible?
Literally Mohammed who 2 billion people consider to be the perfect human married a six year old when he was 53. They don't care
āIād love toā
There's one thing I find particularly telling...
People go on and on about poverty, whether the parents or the religion are to blame, what the poor children have done to deserve this, and so on and so forth.
But there's ONE thing that NEVER seems to come up in these debates: Who is buying these girls? Why does nobody ever talk about these oh-so-respectable "customers"?
I mean, in the video we see a NINE-YEAR-OLD(!) GIRL who looks even younger because of malnutrition, putting on lipstick! What kind of man in his right mind BUYS a little girl like that?! As if she were a used car or a coffee machine?!
The media constantly feature interviews with desperate fathers claiming they had no other choice, but HELLO?!
Where the hell is all this enormous demand coming from?! And if everyone is supposedly so desperately poor, where are all these customers with money to spare coming from?!
Polygamy is permitted in Afghanistan. No doubt some of these old men are just straight pedos and are using the child marriage loophole to legalize abuse that would be illegal everywhere else. But I imagine what's really happening is that these families are selling their children into slavery as third and fourth "wives" to do house work. Selling children to wealthier families where they will have a chance of being fed, clothed, and housed with the understanding that they'll be put to work as second class members of the household is a thing still in a lot of places--it happens here in the states when families send their children to live with distant relatives, or outright being sold like during the Great Depression. Still terrible, but I like to think the world hasn't turned a blind eye to blantant sexual abuse of minors.
That is incredibly naive. These are not men with wives. Those children ARE the wives
A really good point and I agree. The parents shouldn't be off the hook. They decided to have kids that they couldn't take care off and that poor girl has to suffer.
But the people buying these young girls are disgusting. The guy at his age marrying a 9 Yr old...I wonder where he got that idea.
This hurts to watch.
Irony is, if some third nation were to come and remove the Taliban and try changing this, the father would be out there fighting with Taliban. And if he did have enough money he would not be against this himself.
This is standard business for much of the middle east. Has nothing to do with new poverty. They've been doing this well before the USA existed as a country.
They are trying to blame colonialism for shitty cultural and religious beliefs that were already a thing hundreds of years earlier.
The American held Afganistan for 20 y the economic results were very good, since their gone there is a economic collapse. America good. No joke
Yeah it improved, but the issue is you can't force a culture to change. Revolutions need to start from the people, it cant be forced.
I remember when the Taliban first took back over there was a British vlogger there and he went to the dumpster behind the local girls school and it was full of textbooks on feminism and gender identity those progressive ideas were literally thrown in trash the second they took over.
Afghanistan was a socialist country (albeit the government was not very effective or popular bc they tried to secularize too quickly) was modernizing before america started funding the Mujahideen.
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Hey, hey now. He only thigh fucked her until she was 9, okay?
If Mohammad can marry a 9 year old it sets a certain inappropriate precedent.
Interesting that theyāre framing it this way when theyāve been selling their daughters for centuries under the guise of āarranged marriagesā. This is nothing new and itāll never stop.
Bacha Bazi boys too.
yeah, crazy that Afghans still hold tight to an ancient Greek tradition.
sadly, it's their culture. Afghan has to catch up with most parts of the world. it's time for them to change yes....
Yeah I feel like theyāre at least 150 years behind as far as human rights go.
I donāt know how someone could sell their daughter knowing damn well what horrors await. Why doesnāt dad go out and suck D on the gay black market for money? That girl didnāt ask to be born, she shouldnāt be the familyās lifeline for food. Starving is better than doing that to your own child. Selfish troglodytes
Ah economic reasons
What a glorious muslim country
Full of doctors, lawyers, politicians, and pedophiles..
What a great country /s
why can't he sell himself? why sell your daughter.
When I was over there, the army's public affairs office had a sign for quick reference, listing the compensation paid out for loss of life and property. I don't recall the amounts, but the order went like this:
Young man
Old man
Boy
Cow
Woman
Horse
Donkey
Girl
That's why.
right? a hole is a hole
Aber das ist doch bei denen auf Todesstrafe verboten
Itās hard to describe, but itās just hanging out with the boys.
They were always fucking each other over there.
Because the men with money there are only attracted to children
The sadistic truth. They donāt want women who have feelings, they want to control a little girl from the moment she can count to 10. They already can get women by just buying or forcefully taking them, but that aināt enough for their sadistic desires.
No one would buy him.
Not defending his actions, but it's not like there's a market for 30-something year old males in a place no one can even find a regular job.
They sell their sons too.
middle eastern nations have āpleasure boysā these are abused malnourished and raped.
buddy who was stationed in jordan said they wouldn't allow them on the air base.
The sales are due to the demands
There's an amazing song from the 2000s called "what would you do" it goes 'what would you do if your son was at home cryin all alone on the bedroom floor and he's hungry and the only way to feed him is to sleep with a man for a little bit of money".Ā This song shamed the woman for sleeping with guys to support her son.. I think most mothers would choose that over what they're doing in afghanistan, it's incomprehensible!
Many women sell themselves to keep their families fed. Some are forced into it by their partners. I don't think Afghan women have the choice to sell themselves for their kids because they don't have a lot of self agency.
economic collapse= people aren't buying him anymore
It is rather really sad, not interesting.
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Fucking thank you. Finally I see someone with common sense on this app.
Of all the things I have seen on this site, this is somehow one of the worst.
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why would you use the word āworseā? Why would you compare these two situations?. At the end of the day these little boys and girls are being abused.
Children are entirely failed in a gender apartheid state because women are the true protectors of children and men are left to exploit and abuse them.
Bacha Bazi aka Man-Boy love Thursday. Respect their cultural norms, itās fine.
Coming to a city near you!
how is it worse? they rape both and girls have the additional risk of a dangerous pregnancy
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Idk I'm not gonna compare the rapes of children against each other
Buying a young girl to rape. Oh the religion of peace strikes once againĀ
But according to Reddit, Christians are just as bad as Muslims.
I understand that not all Muslims are this way but to be complacent in a religion while this goes on makes you all monsters in my eyes.
Mohammed married a six year old when he was 53. Not a single Muslim will say this was bad. By definition if you condemn Mohammed you are a kafir
Itās baffling that white people canāt understand this.
In any country that they are a majority in, this happens. The Quran couldnāt be any more clear.
Hey Reddit, do you know about the Bacha Bazi boys?
yes saw that weird documentary , it was heart breaking .its noting but pure exploitation in Afghanistan and some part of Pakistan.
Where is the media or white ladies with pink hats?
all because of an archaic ideology
Iām amazed CNN aired that segment.
It's years old. That's why.
Such a beautiful culture and religionā¦.
Mohammed married a 6-year-old, consummated that marriage when she was 9, and had to clear her of charges of adultery when she was 13 and got left behind on accident and a boy went bavk for her.
Culture is fine, religion definitely isn't.Ā He also slept with his adopted son's wife.
Do you know anything about the history of Afghanistan? Afghanistan had total gender equality, banned forced marriages, had a minimum age for marriage, and mandated that education and literacy be provided to all girls in addition to boys.
Then the US directly funneled billions and billions of dollars into the Mujahideen, a religious extremist far-right authoritarian group that would fight back against Russia. Once the Mujahideen won, thatās when it became an Islamic Republic where shit like this happens.
In other words: THE US INTENTIONALLY MADE AFGHANISTAN THIS WAY and destroyed decades of progress. They are still fucked up to this day because of our meddling.
I don't agree with the racists in here either, but Russia began influence campaigns before the US became involved and then Russia invaded destroying the infrastructure of the country and making it the most mined country in the worldĀ
Do you know the biggest complaint Afghans had about that period and after? It's that the US abandoned them after Russia left. They wanted our support against Russia and they wanted us to help them after.Ā
And did you know that the Afghans were spilt pretty evenly about whether they wanted the US to stay in 2021? And that's with women being oppressed in polls.Ā
Women in Afghanistan were going to school and had growing rights for the 20 years the US was there. It's not the United States' fault that religious extremists have control of Afghanistan. The US trained the Afghans for two decades and they decided to hand the country back to religious extremists with almost no resistance after the withdrawal.
Letās be honest here. The progress you talk about here was sadly prevalent among the elites and those living in big cities. To say the entire practiced gender equality and all the other stuff is just plain wrong. The American intervention didnāt create these practices.
Progress never begins with the small folk. French revolution was so inefficient they had to do it three times up to the 19th century ending with the commune.
This is beyond disgusting.
When a fundamentalist religious country collapses economically, it only further entrenched the government while deeply harming the people
Maybe we could all pitch in and buy a bunch of them and bring them over here and get them adopted into caring families.
The issue is the Taliban forbids international adoption.
lol, this is always the case in that country and part of the religion.
"all cultures are equal" type shit.
I swear afghans men all need to have their dick chopped off. Disgusting
Fucking hell.. Why can't I buy these girls, get them in a decent school and give them a normal life. I have the money and the means. But this is illegal and you can't move a child across borders...
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GO FUCK YOURSELF u/CarpenterWeird1940 for being a dick.
Apparently we can do stuff, so I am donating to one of the following foundations;
That's one crazy opener š
ngl. you had me riled up with the first half of your comment "Fucking hell.. Why can't I buy these girls"
then I was like ..oh , ok :-)
āBuy their freedomā might have been better phrasing
Idk.. a username like astroPEDastro wanting to move kids across borders for a better life sounds a little suspect.
You're not wrong. It was Jeffrey Epstein's MO with certain girls: buy them a nice life in exchange for sexual gratification.
Me as well.
U will need a lot more than 2k to save all those children's...and it isn't only in Pakistan
Plenty of orphanages. Go buy one of those kids.
I already do various foundations. Why must it be one or another? Can't be both?
That would be possible if our world was fair, equitable and functioned with some sense of normalcy.
Yes, if our world was fair we'd be able to buy young children to help out their starving families.
why donāt the men sell themselves?
To who? Why do you think the whole situation is disgusting in the first place? The children aren't being sold to work in a field.
They actually do sell young boys too. Itās well documented and disturbing.
I bet a lot of them do. Just not for "domestic" work
We have Iran, and then we have this. I don't understand Islam very well.
You're comparing educated people in urban areas to tribal people in the mountains.
Religious fundamentalism. Itās why you should keep religion and government separate.
Hopefully when Iran is free from political Islam, Afghanistan will follow suit.
Nobody does even islamists, thats one of the reasons they are fighting eachothers within Islam. Religions are cancer, especially Islam.
Putting aside all the left wing/right wing political nonsense...
The west spent 20 years training and equipping the Afghan army to be able to defeat the Taliban.
Unfortunately, the Afghan army dropped their weapons and ran away.
This is what happens when there are no men brave enough to stand up and fight for Western civilization. Their country has been retaken by Islamic extremists. This leads to poverty and more horrors like we see in this video.
EDIT: I'm sure there were brave men in the Afghan army but not enough and nobody capable of providing leadership. At some point the people have to take responsibility for their own country.
oh so itās our fault they have child brides š š¤¦āāļø bro theyāve done this for thousands of years
Exactly what I wanted to say
They handed over the country in one evening with barely a shot fired despite billions in weaponry decades of training higher numbers and fortified positions
Basically they chose this
The afghan police acted more as the military force where I was. We never used the afghan army. They were unreliable and terrible soldiers. The police were brave but unfortunately couldnāt have held the Taliban themselves.
The tribalism and corruption in some areas is cultural and canāt be eliminated without significant cultural changes.
exactly. read the Afghanistan papers. these "men" got training and jobs and support, everything they needed,Ā but they got high and stole fuel and whatever else instead. 20 years these women were able to live a decent life and have jobs and education,Ā the men didn't care enough to fight for it. this is the country they want
What I find surprising is that anyone was surprised. It's what I expected from the minute we occupied the place. The history of Afghanistan is pretty clear. I remember from relatively early on in Obama's tenure, the US tried to get Karzai to sign up for certain anti corruption measures and he refused - I think bc it would have hurt him and his family.
And that was the exit ramp Obama should have taken. "Not gonna ask American kids to die for a corrupt regime." Etc. Instead we kept supporting Karzai's corrupt ass. No... Stupid.
Nation building is incredibly futile and stupid. The Bush administration genuinely believed Iraq would be like post WWII Germany. Duh, no. Germany was already a nation that simply needed a reset. Iraq, Afghanistan - countries but not nations (Iraq, arguably, and likely an oversimplification, three nations - Sunni, Shia, Kurd. Afghanistan, more complicated still).
Exactly this, the second they had to fight they shit themselves and ran away, they're cowards and now others are suffering for their cowardice, we tried, two decades we tried.
The people don't even thank us for what was done to try and help.
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US states failed to ban child marriages multiple timesĀ
Notably this oneĀ
"I agree that protecting the well-being, dignity, and freedom of minors is vital, but the severe bar this bill creates is not necessary to address the concerns voiced by the billās proponents and does not comport with the sensibilities and, in some cases, the religious customs, of the people of this State,ā Christie said in his veto message.
Gotta admit this one caught me off guard. I thought you were pulling an article maybe from the '30s or even '60s.
Failed child marriage legislation in 2017 was not on my bingo card this morning.
Sell your kidney, you've got 2 wtf is this caveman bronze age shit.
What will he do after $2000 run out?
Just as the great Allah intended. 9 year old brides for everyone.Ā
War and religion. Both are just so dumb.
Mohammad would buy them all
āSurging Islamism leads to more child marriagesā
"My idol, the prophet, married a 6 year old, and had sex with her when she was 9. So, it's fine!"
What do you mean this is what that culture does normally sell their daughters are you that stupid
Welp Iām out of ideas. Guess Iāll sell my baby girl⦠what a pos culture if thatās your go to. But Reddit will keep defending them
Also like, what's the plan afterwards? Guess they need a steady stream of new girls to sell then. š¤®
I would have to say selling your children is not surviving
Islam, such a beautiful religion.
This makes me want to kms
This is horrible ugh
Fucking monsters. Such barbaric culture
I will go out sell my ass before selling my kids to creeps. wtf is wrong with these people
This isnt new
Almost like theyāre still practicing their historical culture. suprised face
more like this is a cultural thing than anything else.
These kind of decisions are why we donāt need their damn culture in America !!
These animals have been doing this long before some "economic collapse."
I still wouldnāt sell my kids
This makes me sick.
To think that thereās people who defend this shit wtf
This is horrifyingly disgusting. This needs to stop.
That's just Islam.
Economic collapse? Did they ever hve an economy to speak of?
This planet is a prison for suffering
Muslims going to Muslim.
Itās their culture. Donāt be islamaphobic
People who shit on america nonstop forget this was normal around the world up until recently
No lol it hasn't been normal in the whole western world for basically centuries. Problem wasn't normal in a shitton of other regions as well but I don't know about them so I won't speak.
What about not buying children? There, problem solved.
Also, abstaining from having multiple children when you are struggling to survive would greatly help.
TO CLARIFY: not saying that's women's fault ofc. It's on men, same as buying children.
The Taliban have banned any form of Reproductive healthcare. And women donāt have rights to refuse sex
Except contraception is surely banned
But according to leftists on Reddit, America is literally as bad as Afghanistan for women and queer people.
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Haha, yeah economic reasons, THAT'S why
The UN and all the virtue signallers are strangely quiet on this matter
What a load of bullshit. Correlation is not causation and a rise in something means it already existed before the aforementioned and misappropriated "cause". Evil culture because evil religion! Islam is not compatible with the west!
Trump, Epstein Island. Ironery.
The world voted for this and the Afghanistan's stopped fighting against it. What do you hope to achieve by showing is this? Nothing we can do. The wokies got what they wanted, no more "war" because all occupation and "war" is bad. Even if its righting wrongs.
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Absolute sh*t š³
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SadJ3tsFan 44 points (2 children)
Worse than cavemen
DrSuSuSudio 14 points (1 child)
I-go-kaboom-a-stan
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Gays for Gaza!
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Aarxnw 6 points (1 child)
Even worse than that, inviting them here to practice that culture in a country that isnāt yet ruined
picklizer 9 points (1 child)
Yes, this is people just being savages. I canāt understand how it happens today.
DerDienstVomTrottel 6 points (1 child)
Don't bring these people here please